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Podcast transcript: Can 5G shut the digital divide?

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Adam Shepherd

Hello, I am Adam Shepherd.

Jane McCallion

And I am Jane McCallion.

Adam

And also you’re listening to the IT Professional Podcast the place at present we’re speaking concerning the digital divide.

Jane

Know-how performs an important function in most of our lives, from the roles we do to the way in which we unwind. It is simple to really feel prefer it’s all over the place. However there are lots of folks within the UK who’re nonetheless with out primary broadband entry. This will likely appear to be the definition of a primary world downside, however it could actually have severe implications for folks’s livelihoods and properly being.

Adam

This so known as digital divide is a rising downside on this nation and one which the federal government is beneath rising stress to deal with. Becoming a member of us at present to speak about what this problem means for the UK, and the way the federal government and the personal sector can work collectively to sort out it’s Cisco’s UK CTO, Chintan Patel. Chintan, thanks for approaching.

Chintan Patel

Thanks for having me.

Jane

So common listeners will know that that is one thing that comes up rather a lot within the present, and presumably partly due to me. However what’s the state of the UK’s connectivity in the meanwhile?

Chintan

So I feel one of many largest issues during the last 12 months has been the truth that connectivity has grow to be one thing that is an important for every one in every of us, I feel, you already know, it was a, it was one thing that we wished and wanted previous to the pandemic, however truly, the final 12-18 months has proven how important it has been to, you already know, whether or not it is accessing important companies, you already know, preserving children educated, accessing well being care, or just staying related with family and friends and being entertained, you already know, it is grow to be such a core a part of the whole lot that we do, and when you already know, our lives are extra related than ever earlier than. And, you already know, we have seen that this has been vastly vital during the last yr, and more and more will likely be going ahead as properly. However as you mentioned, in your opening, you already know, we do have a digital divide within the UK, you already know, that chance to attach is not evenly distributed, regardless that, you already know, I assume a few of the figures we’ve got by a few of our analysis present that though there are excessive ranges of connectivity obtainable, the uptake of companies maybe is not there at the moment, 96% of the UK inhabitants have entry to connectivity in a technique, form, or kind, however solely 60% use the service. So is that due to affordability? Is that due to entry to the sorts of speeds? Or the know-how? Or is it as a result of abilities or lack of abilities maybe. You realize, we have to form of go and have a deeper have a look at that by way of how we assist extra folks get related, given you already know, our lives are pushed by digital know-how increasingly.

Jane

Yeah, I used to be gonna say presumably, you already know, 96 folks – 96 folks; hopefully it’s kind of greater than that – 96% of individuals have entry to connectivity. However there is a large distinction between the connectivity that I get right here in an city space versus members of my household who reside in additional rural areas.

Chintan

Yeah, you are completely proper. And I feel this goes again to, you already know, there are plenty of not spots, because it have been inside the UK. So we’ve got, you already know, dense metropolitan areas, which have actually good broadband connectivity with very excessive pace. And you’ve got a lot of different locations, which maybe have connectivity, however to not the identical extent. And, you already know, truly that 96% quantity is sort of fascinating, as a result of once you have a look at the 4%, that maybe do not have connectivity, that truly equates to about 2.67 million folks. So it is not an insignificant sum of people that haven’t any entry in any respect. And so, you already know, I feel there’s this level round, you already know, let’s be certain that we get as many individuals related as doable. After which, you already know, we have seen a few of the targets the federal government’s set out by way of, you already know, gigabit broadband to 85% of UK premises by 2025. You realize, all of those are going to grow to be so, so vital as we go ahead.

Adam

So, as we have beforehand mentioned, in lots of circumstances, rural broadband remains to be lagging behind city centres. However why is that this nonetheless the case? You realize, given the significance of web connectivity, and, you already know, the event of newer, you already know, newer applied sciences, like fibre optics, and, you already know, wider distribution strategies for web, why are rural areas nonetheless lagging behind?

Chintan

I feel there is a, I imply, there’s various, I assume, causes, each financial, from a possibility perspective, you already know, the flexibility for service suppliers to succeed in communities the place maybe they do not have the amount of consumers to justify in some circumstances the return on funding. There’s additionally, I feel, a technological problem in some circumstances the place, you already know, in locations the place you simply have not been capable of pull fibre as a result of it is bodily inconceivable to take action. And we have to have a look at new applied sciences to assist us do this. And, you already know, 5G is a superb instance of that by way of, you already know, the place we won’t pull fibre can we use spectrum? And may we use it in environment friendly methods to, to ship that. And we have we have been concerned in some trials over the previous couple of years, with the UK authorities to really attempt to ship a few of these sorts of capabilities to rural areas. One of many initiatives was known as 5G RuralFirst, which was precisely that, round delivering 5G connectivity to rural areas, and really making a testbed and a trial programme to point out that, you already know, you will get the financial return, you’ll be able to drive up productiveness of these rural economies, that are so vitally vital to the UK. But additionally take into consideration new use circumstances and issues like agritech, in fishing, in several types of industries, the place maybe know-how hasn’t been utilized in the way in which that it has been in lots of different industries, and the place, you already know, form of digitization has, has helped different industries develop or develop their form of world entry to different markets as properly. So, you already know, we have been, we have been very targeted on attempting to drive that. And we predict if we, if we use know-how and digital know-how, like 5G, and others and Wi-Fi 6 and different applied sciences to form of cut back that form of digital divide, then, you already know, we are able to get extra folks into the form of digital financial system going ahead.

Jane

I’ve heard 5G be proposed beforehand as a solution to rural broadband points, or simply form of broadband or connectivity points, typically, you appear fairly optimistic about it. However from my standpoint, I can see a few actual challenges to it. And I would prefer to get your perspective on it. And the primary is the way in which that 5G works, it may be thwarted by partitions, which is a little bit of a, or generally is a little bit of an issue. And in addition the type of geography of the UK could make it troublesome so that you can get the sign in sure rural areas. If there’s plenty of hills, as soon as once more, you’ve got bought an issue. Is it going to be that efficient? And worth might be my third level, you already know, 5G shouldn’t be low cost, both, the worth will clearly come down because it rolls out. However these to me would appear to be not insignificant obstacles to 5G actually serving to to shut the digital divide.

Chintan

Yeah, I feel they’re all legitimate factors. And I feel for this reason, you already know, we have been having to do these trials to form of show out, one, the know-how to beat a few of these bodily obstacles that exist, and simply the legal guidelines of physics, which you’ll’t typically get round, which we, you already know, we’ve got to, we’ve got to have in mind because it have been. But additionally, you already know, it is this view that truly, it is not all nearly 5G, it is about discovering the precise know-how for the precise use case, and really meshing collectively several types of know-how to ship what you are attempting to realize, and what the outcomes particularly is for that exact use case, that {industry}, and many others. And, you already know, in some circumstances, you already know, it won’t be 5G straight all the way in which to you in a, in a, in a selected surroundings in a rural space – perhaps it is a mixture of issues, proper, perhaps it is 5G backhaul, but it surely could be Wi-Fi, excessive pace Wi-Fi 6, you already know, on to you and it is truly these applied sciences working collectively. And so they’re basically constructed off the identical form of core know-how. So we predict, truly, once you convey these collectively, you will get the economics, proper, as a result of I feel, to your level, the economics need to be there, I feel all issues being mentioned and performed, I feel, you already know, we have to guarantee that it is inexpensive for the, you already know, the buyer, should you like, of the service and the know-how, however then additionally it is bought to be economically viable for the supplier of the service as properly, and that there’s a win-win on all these events. And I feel to your different level, that affordability is one thing that we do genuinely want to take a look at, you already know, we do all need excessive pace and we wish gigabit and we wish, you already know, all of these capabilities, however these do come at a worth as a result of they require an infrastructure funding from, you already know, the suppliers of that know-how. So I feel it is each the service suppliers, you already know, our function because the makers of the know-how, and, you already know, authorities, the society at massive have to return collectively to consider properly, what are the provisions we have to make to allow extra folks to entry it, trigger I imply, we all know, you already know, the advantages that this creates. You realize, we have seen, I feel the final, as I discussed earlier, the final 4 months has actually, actually confirmed this out. However, you already know, greater than half of individuals now assume, you already know, investing in connectivity is as vital as the opposite utilities, you already know, water, electrical energy, gasoline, it is one in every of life’s necessities, now.

Jane

Yeah.

Chintan

And you already know, should you have a look at, you already know, form of the productiveness for the UK financial system as properly. And you already know, we have an enormous small enterprise group throughout the UK, dependable quick connectivity goes to be actually more and more vital for them as we come out of the pandemic as properly to form of proceed to not solely faucet into the native markets, however extra broader markets. And we’re additionally seeing a little bit of a shift, you already know, because of the pandemic, by way of connectivity influencing truly the place we select to reside. And, you already know, this, this complete distant work, hybrid work experiment, which I feel will proceed for, you already know, as we go ahead in hybrid work, because it have been, however this concept that work shouldn’t be a spot you go, but it surely’s one thing you do. And, you already know, I’ve spoken to a lot of my friends within the {industry}, who’re actually taking a look at a expertise pool that’s not essentially native anymore, however it’s nationwide. And so, if we’ve got that top pace broadband connectivity to extra folks, then it can, it can additionally give folks a possibility to not need to be bodily situated the place their firm relies, because it have been, however truly faucet into that. So I feel, you already know, there is a knock on affect for native economies, and this sort of levelling up agenda that we have throughout the UK to attempt to drive, you already know, abilities throughout UK jobs, alternatives and permit folks, regardless of wherever they’re, to faucet into several types of jobs and careers.

Adam

So Chintan, you talked about infrastructure funding, simply now. The UK’s 5G infrastructure particularly, remains to be lagging, I feel it is truthful to say, slightly bit behind different nations by way of each speeds and protection. does this point out a possible barrier to this technique?

Chintan

Effectively, I feel we have, we have performed rather a lot, I feel, over the previous couple of years, however I feel we do need to proceed to spend money on that, you already know, we glance around the globe. And clearly, there are a selection of nations around the globe actually accelerating on this entrance, I feel the pandemic naturally slowed rollout down during the last yr as service suppliers targeted on form of preserving important companies up and working. However you already know, I do envisage that may, that has actually began and can restart form of the, the, the give attention to that. So, you already know, I am optimistic that truly the investments which can be getting into, and the work that is occurring will show helpful. However clearly, you already know, we have to, we have to maintain the push on this, as a result of we all know that, you already know, the variety of issues which can be being related, for instance, to the web, over the following few years are going to require this stage of connectivity going ahead, we have seen several types of companies, which are actually utterly reliant on digital connectivity, and issues like 5G are going to be so important to make that occur. I imply, even should you simply look over the following couple of years, you already know, extra visitors will cross the UK, and actually, the worldwide web, than did within the final 30 years of the web. So you’ll be able to simply see the quantity and quantity of issues from a visitors perspective, which goes to require greater bandwidth, as a result of we are actually utilizing and getting accustomed to greater constancy content material, should you like, excessive definition video, excessive definition audio, after which extra immersive experiences. But additionally, you already know, we’ll see billions of extra issues related over the following few years, you already know, we’ll get to just about 30 billion issues related to the worldwide web by 2030. And that is going to be an enormous quantity of stress that is going to be placed on to the infrastructure, each from a bodily connectivity perspective, as a result of we’re connecting several types of issues now, it is not simply laptops, cellular units, good cameras, and many others. You realize, on common, we’ll have over the following few years, anyplace between 5 and ten related issues on us, as wearables take maintain, sensors take maintain into our each day lives by way of the whole lot that we’re doing. So all of that is going to require a distinct form of set of pondering. And for this reason truly, simply earlier than truly the late finish of 2019, we launched an entire programme of exercise, which we have been calling the web for the long run, which is, what does the following technology web actually need to appear to be? What does the infrastructure must appear to be? As a result of the economics, the know-how, we have needed to basically rethink it as a result of it, trigger it’s 30 years previous, you already know, after we designed the primary technology web. So we have been taking a floor up have a look at that, with know-how all the way in which from the silicon by way of how the brains of the infrastructure is rebuilt. So truly fascinated with, you already know, what scale that we’d like, wanting on the optical infrastructure. So that is the pipes that join, you already know, the spine of the web. So, you already know, with enormous swathes of visitors traversing the world. After which the economics extra importantly, that we touched on earlier, you already know the worth factors that the infrastructure must develop, to allow that connectivity turns into extra vital as properly. In order that coupled with the innovation taking place in 5G, and extra importantly, the use circumstances, as a result of, you already know, we have seen there is a, there’s been a step change in financial affect because of a few of these transformational applied sciences. You realize, 4G resulted in, I would say, the smartphone revolution, which utterly reworked that form of cellular expertise. And whereas whereas 4G reworked that shopper expertise, we do basically imagine 5G and Wi-Fi 6, and the following iterations of Wi-Fi will rework enterprise by way of the enterprise purposes of it.

Adam

And I feel it is also price referring to, you already know, after we, after we speak concerning the digital divide, it is not nearly issues like, you already know, oh, can I stream, Netflix, can I, you already know, do video calls in excessive definition, all that form of stuff, increasingly companies, you already know, for the final three, 4 or 5 years, have been investing actually closely in cloud companies, in SaaS merchandise to energy the form of the core of their enterprise. And that implies that if you’re in a state of affairs the place your web is not, you already know, excessive pace sufficient or dependable sufficient to entry these companies with a stage of stability, that successfully makes you form of virtually unemployable for companies whose know-how stacks depend on cloud companies. You realize, for instance, should you work in advertising, and also you’re doing plenty of collaborative work on issues like Google Docs, or it’s essential be, you already know, collaborating on consumer conferences and stuff, and it’s essential be commonly importing and downloading information from SharePoint drives, or any form of content material storage medium, that is going to be actually, actually troublesome, if you do not have a sure stage of web entry.

Chintan

I could not agree extra, you already know, I feel everybody ought to attempt to disconnect and attempt to see, like, you already know, in the course of the regular workday, not essentially, you already know, you clearly need to disconnect once you’re on vacation, and we suggest that extremely for everyone, proper, however, you already know, truly simply attempting to do a day’s work in at present’s world, with out having any type of connectivity would grow to be close to inconceivable for many individuals. That is to not say that is common, as a result of, you already know, there are two thirds of jobs around the globe should not workplace primarily based, and, you already know, maybe do not require the identical stage of digital connectivity. However having mentioned that, for a overwhelming majority, particularly within the UK, the place we have a really excessive companies financial system, and individuals who depend on these kind of applied sciences, and that reliance on cloud companies, which is, which is totally depending on connectivity, turns into much more vital. And, you already know, we all know, each that is a productiveness affect for the UK, I feel it is also, you already know, it is the digital abilities and the optimistic affect it can have on folks’s earnings, you already know, all of these points, you already know, we all know that truly, by a few of this analysis that we did, you already know, half of these on-line declare they’ve used the web to search out employment. So it is among the major strategies of really discovering a job now, you already know, purchasing on-line, everyone knows, proper, you already know, has grow to be, you already know, important, we have been seeing that shift from offline to on-line, earlier to the pandemic, and it is actually simply accelerated that. So, you already know, now if it’s essential purchase something, then you definitely’re sometimes wanting on-line first. And in order that’s, that is important.

Adam

I imply, even sectors like hospitality, which, you already know, historically has been virtually solely offline and you already know, disconnected. Even should you go to a restaurant or a bar now, definitely in the course of the pandemic, but it surely’s wanting like that is going to be a form of persevering with pattern, you must place your order by way of an app. So if you do not have web entry, you already know, if the, if the venue would not provide free Wi-Fi and you do not have web in your telephone, then that enterprise, that service is simply utterly lower off from you.

Chintan

Sure, precisely. And I feel you already know, these organisations which can be going to achieve success going ahead are those that may mix that form of bodily and digital expertise in the identical method in a form of simple and seamless method. I, you already know, I additionally assume, you already know, should you assume that companies level you increase is so vital. I form of use the instance of, you already know, GP appointments, you already know, again in 2019 there have been 214 million NHS appointments that occurred within the UK, just one p.c of these have been over video. Quick ahead, quick ahead a yr. And all of us thought it would not be performed and all people thought maybe it might by no means be performed. Nevertheless it has been performed. And we have confirmed we are able to do it. And truly, for a lot of, it is the popular method of doing it, the truth that I can now entry my GP inside a few hours if I must, slightly than ready 10 days for an appointment, that needs to be a very good factor. Proper, that is a, that is a very good factor for all events concerned, to be truthful, by way of, you already know, having the ability to see extra sufferers and, you already know, we have an enormous backlog, as we all know, of sufferers that have to be seen by our medical workers, and the way are we going to scale that? We’ll must scale that utilizing these kind of applied sciences going ahead. So yeah, that time round service, that time round entry, I feel turns into vital. But additionally perhaps some extent which, which we form of alluded to earlier, which was round, you already know, perhaps any person not having the ability to go into someplace and having entry on or web on their telephone. Nevertheless it’s additionally these abilities, and that digital literacy. There are a lot of in society have grown up, you already know, consider my dad and mom who did not need to, and did not want to make use of a few of the digital tech, you already know, in, you already know, a yr in the past, however now, I’ve needed to grow to be savvy, as a result of a few of the companies, they should entry, the truth that in the event that they did need to go to a restaurant, they should use an app, to order meals, and many others, and make a fee means we’re having to teach extra folks by way of how we do that. So I feel that is a, that is one other large space that we’ll must focus in on.

Jane

And clearly, this will’t all be left all the way down to the personal sector. So how ought to the federal government be working along with the personal sector to deal with the problem of the digital divide and issues with connectivity?

Chintan

Yeah, I feel, you already know, that is, it is a societal and collective problem, I feel, for us to unravel it’s, it is everybody has a component to play. You realize, we’re very supportive of, you already know, that form of industry-government partnership, I feel which, an educational partnership, which actually makes an enormous distinction on this so you already know, our work in truly main up one of many levelling up targets, which is concentrated on closing the digital divide, it is one of many targets that the federal government has set out and led by the Proper Honourable Justine Greening, it is, it is a, it is a framework that is related to the UN Sustainable Growth Objectives, but it surely’s actually utilized to form of the levelling up challenges that we have within the UK, there are 14 of them, you already know, round equality and inclusion, having a robust basis on infrastructure, alternative, and many others. So, you already know, I feel that is one of many methods, it is not the one method that we are able to do however you already know, investing in issues like our Networking Academy, which is, you already know, one of many world’s largest world on-line coaching platforms. And investing in these abilities has grow to be actually vital as properly. And, you already know, we have over 330 networking academies within the UK, having skilled over half one million folks. And we have simply introduced, form of a worldwide push on that to ship entry for all successfully and free coaching on important IT abilities for as much as 20 million extra folks globally over the following 5 years. And we predict, you already know, truly pushing this into locations which have entry to a distinct demographic goes to be vital. So you already know, we have to push into locations like libraries, we have to push into prisons, we have to push into the police drive for cyber coaching, you already know, we have to we have to form of drive it into totally different areas of society.

Adam

So when taking a look at any public sector initiative, whether or not that is in partnership with the personal sector or as a form of standalone challenge, value is regularly the largest barrier. So when Labour proposed giving folks free broadband entry over the last election marketing campaign, they have been roundly derided for it. Who ought to foot the invoice for infrastructure and connectivity enlargement initiatives like this?

Chintan

Effectively, I feel it is a, it is a, it is a broad topic, which I feel, you already know, deserves some deep dialogue by all events, I feel there is a, there’s one thing that the federal government does must do by way of ensuring there’s uniform entry obtainable, that it is truthful, that it is inexpensive. And equally, you already know, for the suppliers of the know-how to verify, and suppliers of these companies, that you already know, we’re collectively delivering the degrees of speeds or ranges of high quality and affordability that may permit folks to faucet into it. So I feel it is, it is a, it is a collective factor that we have to do. It is to not say that it is one thing that could be a downside essentially for the maybe, you already know, 60, 70% which have entry, are utilizing, and it is obtainable to, I feel we actually want to take a look at the individuals who who do not maybe have entry, and likewise the those that have entry, however aren’t utilizing it and attempting to essentially get into the problems of why they are not utilizing it, you already know, is it genuinely due to affordability? Is it due to reliability, i.e. they cannot belief the truth that it is all the time going to be obtainable in order that they will depend on it? Or is it due to abilities and, you already know, digital literacy, which, which has been the case in lots of, many, many areas, so, after which tackling it from that foundation, I feel would make it actually viable. You realize, from our perspective, I feel, you already know, we’re very targeted on attempting to drive this and, you already know, during the last, during the last a number of years, we have, we have invested, you already know, enormous sums in partnership with the UK Authorities to attempt to drive digitization initiatives throughout the UK. And we have had 20 initiatives, you already know, across the UK, which have been round whether or not it is excessive pace Wi-Fi on trains, whether or not it is, you already know, digital rural connectivity, good cities, and many others. And so, you already know, we’ll proceed to spend money on that. And I feel, you already know, it is the partnership between authorities, academia, the personal sector and {industry} at massive, which is able to, hopefully assist to unravel this.

Adam

So that you talked about reliability there. And I simply wished to the touch on the UK authorities’s common service obligation, USO, which is at the moment set at 10 megabits per second. And that is the minimal stage of speeds that UK broadband suppliers want to ensure beneath legislation. Is that this sufficient, do you assume, primarily based on the primarily based on the stuff we have mentioned already? You realize, the rising want for digital connectivity, each at dwelling and for work? You realize, these guidelines have been drawn up various years in the past now, earlier than a big a part of the large cloud enlargement that we have seen during the last couple of years. Do these, these service obligations have to be revised, do you assume in mild of those expansions?

Chintan

I feel we’ve got to repeatedly have a look at these, we’ve got to take an evaluation by way of, you already know, the place digital society is at present versus the place it was, you already know, so a few years in the past, when these have been drawn up. So, you already know, if I have a look at, and also you highlighted this, this very clearly by way of how a lot, what number of cloud primarily based companies that we’re utilizing, but it surely’s, it is not even simply the person utilization from, from a private perspective, from a piece perspective, you already know, we have a look at our houses now. We’ve good home equipment, that are always going forwards and backwards to the cloud to to get survey information or, you already know, reply your questions. We have got good cameras in our houses now which can be serving to hold us protected and safe. We’ve different sensors. So truly, the amount of visitors that’s being pushed now, and the excessive definition and excessive constancy nature of which means these bandwidth necessities that we had earlier than are basically altering. And, you already know, there’s a particular want for greater broadband speeds, excessive bandwidth speeds. However extra importantly, you already know, higher reliability of these. We’ll additionally see a little bit of a shift by way of these cloud companies. You realize, do it’s essential ship the whole lot again to the cloud? You realize, does a few of it truly might a few of these issues be performed nearer to the sting, and we’re beginning to see slightly little bit of that taking place already within the form of re-architecting of the web infrastructure, the place truly, we’re not sending sending all of these workloads to be processed into an information centre, someplace within the ether, because it have been, you already know, we’re doing a few of that nearer to the sting for that responsiveness for that bandwidth optimization for delivering that form of digital service. So we’re seeing organisations, you already know, actually taking a look at re-architecting their, their environments to make that occur. So, yeah, look, I feel, you already know, given the place we’re going with, you already know, advances in AR and VR know-how, and different form of extra excessive bandwidth experiences, then that is going to grow to be extra vital going ahead.

Jane

So Chintan, the place do you assume issues are going on this space over the following couple of years? Say, 5 years?

Chintan

So look, I feel we’re in for an thrilling experience. You realize, we’re one of many web’s optimists and really, I feel, you already know, know-how goes to play such a basic function in the whole lot that we do. You realize, you simply have a look at at present, from the second you wake up-to-the-minute you fall asleep, and the whole lot in between, you already know, we’re digitally anchored to know-how in a technique, form, or kind, and hopefully, it is making hopefully, it is making our lives slightly bit higher and extra environment friendly day-after-day. And you already know, that that is our purpose. And I feel if if know-how can assist us enhance our lives, the way in which we reside them, be related, be protected, safe, in the whole lot that we do then that may solely be a very good factor. And I feel, you already know, I usually get requested what does the long run appear to be? And I feel the reality is, we do not actually know. However you already know, what we are able to do is we are able to we are able to sample match from what’s occurred in the previous couple of years and form of have a look at the place, the place will know-how find yourself. And you’ll see a few of the improvements taking place throughout the {industry}, whether or not it is in connectivity, whether or not it is in journey, whether or not it is in form of the digital financial system, and I feel the UK is at a at a pivotal second, we have a tremendous alternative, each socially and form of technologically to steer the world in plenty of these areas with a few of the finest educational analysis happening around the globe. And actually bringing the total financial system and all people together with us and never leaving anyone behind.

Adam

Effectively, whereas we might speak about this for one more hour, I am certain that is all we have time for this week, I am afraid. Thanks as soon as once more, Chintan for becoming a member of us.

Chintan

Thanks very a lot for having me.

Jane

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Adam

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Adam

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